Live Coaching: Overcoming Trauma and Holding Onto Money
Episode Summary:
Today’s episode is a live coaching call with one of my mini-session clients and I can’t wait for you to tune in because I absolutely loved our conversation! Today you’ll hear from Jess O’Connell who struggles with saving money – even after she’s made it. Money is such a complex topic and I know that Jess isn’t the only one who struggles with this. If you’re ready for more peace and confidence with your own financial situation, you’re going to love this episode.
Topics Discussed:
The impact that our family’s past experience with money can have on the narratives and beliefs we have around our own money and financial situation
The perspective of money from lower, middle, and upper class
How Jess’s trauma with abandonment has impacted her ability to create abundance and how she’s worked to overcome this
Reminding yourself to slow down and think of the big picture to make a plan when it comes to saving money
Allowing yourself to hold space for your financial fears and processing through them
Being willing to make and celebrate money mistakes and letting go of the all or nothing mindset
About Jess:
Jess is a launch strategist specializing in scaling your signature program to a 6 figure stream of revenue! Featured on Entrepreneur.com, Jess teaches online coaches and course creators how to get off the revenue rollercoaster by creating a hybrid sales system of live launching and evergreen! With a background in science education, Jess uses scientific principles and data backed decision making to help you scale your business strategically!
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Anna Rapp (00:03):
Yay. So why don't you share with me where, where I can most support you. If you have a few ideas, we can refine it down.
Jess O'Connell (00:09):
Yeah, absolutely. So I have felt, so I've been in business for four years and I have made a decent amount of money and I have no savings and I have realized that I have lack or fear or old stories around saving that like it is so like triggering and like, it's such a random thing I feel like, but I feel like I'm probably not the only person who is like something about saving money feels really, or like, like maybe it's that like holding onto money. Like I don't feel like money is safe with me. And so like I'm afraid to hold onto it for what I'm gonna have it. I don't know. So like there's definitely some stuff coming up around that and I feel like the more that I wanna grow and the more successful I wanna be, I like repel opportunities and I repel making more money because money doesn't feel safe with me for some reason. Yeah.
Anna Rapp (01:09):
I just <laugh>, I mean I know you, I know you a little bit but not a 10, but I just love your heart and what came up for me is you were saying that is just even your willingness to be honest with yourself and be like, you know, there's this thing I, like, there's nothing wrong with me. There's just this thing about money that I wanna sell because I wanna figure it out because I wanna feel good about money, right? Yeah,
Jess O'Connell (01:28):
Yeah. Absolutely. And I want to attract more of it so I can do amazing things with it. Like I know I like, and I'm a very logical person and so like I logically understand like that. Like there's nothing bad that I could do too. Money, money is not good or bad or just is, but like there's some kind of belief system or, and I like I could dig into that cuz like I have generational like trauma around money. Yeah. And so I'm sure like that's where it comes from. And I've also like tried to talk to myself and be like, just because your grandparents grew up then in the depression doesn't mean that you can't have money. Like I, it's so interesting how deeply rooted that like logic completely supersedes any of that.
Anna Rapp (02:18):
I mean I think you're right on with that. Have you done like any worker journaling around that before? And if so, like how has that gone? And if not, we could do some of that today too.
Jess O'Connell (02:26):
I've done a little bit like, I think that I have identified that like money and maybe it's not even that, like I don't, like money doesn't feel safe with me, but like money doesn't feel safe in general. Money doesn't stick around. Money isn't there to support you. And I like my, I was talking to my sister about this cuz she also has her own set of issues with it. But like growing up we watched my grandparents lose their house to foreclosure and go through bankruptcy. We lost my parent or saw my parents go through bankruptcy twice and lose their house to foreclosure and just like growing up in like scarcity and in, I don't know if like poverty is exactly what it was, but like poor for sure. And like, and then even like in high school, my parents lost their house to foreclosure.
Jess O'Connell (03:18):
Like it was like I was a full adult basically when these things were instilled and like having to take out student loans to go to college and not being able to afford things and just like these, like those kinds of beliefs are so hard to like, even though I make more money than I've ever made, like I know how to make money. I don't know how to hold on to money even though like logically like I understand that you put the money in the savings account. Like that part isn't the issue for some reason. Yes.
Anna Rapp (03:53):
I love that you've even identified like, no Anna, I'm great at creating money. Yes. There's just this like tiny little skillset around the saving, right? Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, I remember in grad school they introduced this little chart to us that kind of blew my mind and it talked about like the diff you probably heard about this, right? But like it talked about like in poverty, our mindset says money is meant to be spent, right? Mm-Hmm. <Affirmative> because money doesn't hang around very much. So when it's there like foo when food is there, when money is there, like eat it, use it, use, use, use, right? Middle class money mindset says money is meant to be saved. Wealth mindset says money is meant to be invested, right? Mm-Hmm. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> have, have you heard about that and what are your
Jess O'Connell (04:29):
Thoughts on all that? Well, yes, that's exactly it. Like money is meant to be because you don't know when it's gonna come again. Yes. Even still, like I've made consistently six figures for the last four years and we still will like binge Costco by because like, who knows when we're gonna have more money to buy groceries and it's like, or, and I get like weird scarcity feelings. Like I, I like espresso coffee and like as soon as I'm on that last thing of pods, like I get ridiculously anxious for it's just coffee. Yeah. But I'm like, oh my God, I'm gonna run outta coffee and then I'm not gonna be okay. And like, like it's all of that. Like you would think it was like all the food, it's just the coffee but like all of that trauma comes up around food scarcity and like Yes. Like and feeling like you have to hoard that resource and spend it. I'm so strange.
Anna Rapp (05:20):
It was nuts. I think it makes a lot of sense.
Jess O'Connell (05:22):
Totally.
Anna Rapp (05:22):
I think it makes a lot of sense. Right? Yeah. Like and I think that, I love that you even nailed like how it shows up in like other areas, right? And I think like it's almost a self-fulfilling prophecy where you're like, it's not gonna be around. So we spend it so it's not around well it's not
Jess O'Connell (05:35):
Around. Exactly.
Anna Rapp (05:37):
Yes. Do you have any specific memories in childhood around food or money or like that really stand out to you around it being scarce? Either you being hungry or you really being need in money or like anything like that?
Jess O'Connell (05:52):
I do remember being hungry and it's funny, well not funny, but my parents <laugh> tell their version of this story. I, my sister and I weren't girl scouts and my girl scout leader became my stepmom and she's told the story that like we would come to cookie booths and be like, we're starving, we're so hungry. And my dad would be like, haha, they just want food. And I'm like, I actually think like we were not manipulative as children. Like I think we were genuinely hungry. Small children. Yeah. And I just don't think, and also my dad was an entrepreneur and so I also grew up with like the unpredictability of his income and I have worked through so much trauma around my childhood and his business and his Yeah. Like unpredictability with that. Yeah. I also like there were so many things growing up that we could not do because of money. Like money wasn't something that we got like gave us opportunity. Yeah. It was something that created like lack of opportunity for us. Yes.
Anna Rapp (06:52):
So I wonder if like, I, I love the idea of, okay, so in addition to like food being scarce, money being scarce, do you feel like there was anything else that was scarce in your childhood?
Jess O'Connell (07:04):
Attention. Like I think that it's, I've done a lot of work in therapy around like abandonment and and like my therapist was like, a lot of people have a fear of abandonment. Like you have an actuality of abandonment. Yes. And so like that I think is part of it too. All wrapped into like, love doesn't stick around, people don't stick around, money doesn't stick around.
Anna Rapp (07:32):
So in some ways it's like awful but also useful that this is like the same work in everything Right. Is like, okay, how do I continue to do the work on creating abundance but also living from a place of abundance so I don't sabotage it when I get abundance of something. Mm-Hmm. Right.
Jess O'Connell (07:49):
Totally.
Anna Rapp (07:50):
Where is an area you feel like you have kind of mastered it in? Whether it is in love or in like where is an area where you're like, ooh, I kind of did overcome that Scarcity thinking.
Jess O'Connell (08:00):
I do feel like in love, like I've been happily married for 13, 14 years with Congrat. Thank you. And I do see like pattern of like pushing him away from time to time, but also like, it feels dependable. Like I feel like he is like the only safe, dependable thing.
Anna Rapp (08:21):
Yeah. I love that you were used the word safe and dependable. Right. Okay. So tell me three things that you did, right? Because of course it's not perfect, but you figured something out there, right? You figured oh, out, away in love in relationship to create that secure, dependable, abundant play. Like gimme, what did you do? How'd you get there?
Jess O'Connell (08:43):
I think that I, like I took my time with him. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> like we dated for like four years before we got married and we were married for like five years before we had had kids. Yeah. And so like it wasn't, it didn't feel rushed, it didn't feel like impulsive, like it felt intentional and like thought out. I also like feel like communication and like learning how to like communicate my fears and communicate what I'm feeling and just like being very open with communication with him and like being vulnerable with him and like being willing to do it wrong so that we could figure it out.
Anna Rapp (09:31):
I'm obsessed. I love it. Okay, great. Those are, I wrote, I took notes, don't worry. Three things you did right? And then what are you most proud of when you think about where you've come from and that maybe you weren't set up the most success when it came to like intimacy and love. Like what are you most proud of yourself for what you've created in the last 13 years with him?
Jess O'Connell (09:51):
I'm proud that like, and I think he feels this way too cuz he also came from a divorced family. Like I think I'm proud that we've grown together. I have talked to so many people, we're 35 now and I feel like your twenties are when you get married and your thirties are when you get divorced. Like we know so many people who either have been divorced or getting divorced right now in their life. And I think that because like, and one of the things that they all say is like one of us grew and the other one didn't and like we are completely different people than we were when we were 19, but we have grown together and I think that it's because we have done that intentionally and like again, it hasn't been perfect, it has not been easy but like we've both recommitted to that growth together at every level that I think that that's like, that's something I'm the most proud of.
Anna Rapp (10:46):
That is beautiful. How beautiful. Okay. What's one more thing that you are proud of you doing? What are you most proud of and how you've shown up in your half of the relationship?
Jess O'Connell (10:59):
I'm proud of like my vulnerability. I think that I like my default mode is to be really like closed off and not open and like people aren't safe and I think that because I have been vulnerable and because I have like allowed myself to be open that like it's allowed him the space to fulfill that. So like that vulnerability is something I'm proud of.
Anna Rapp (11:28):
It sounds like you like really led with your vulnerability in the relationship.
Jess O'Connell (11:32):
Yeah.
Anna Rapp (11:34):
Beautiful. Look at you guys. Well done. Okay. I wonder if we apply cuz of course like I have my own tips, et cetera, et cetera, but I'm a big fan of like applying our own advice first. Mm-Hmm <affirmative> and I love what you've done Right. To overcome really a lot of adversity in scarcity and attention love. Right. and I wonder how much of that we can apply to your money. What do you think? Yeah,
Jess O'Connell (11:58):
I think, I mean I can't see it logically, but I'm sure you'll show me.
Anna Rapp (12:01):
Yes. Okay. So I'm gonna say back to you kind of what you said and then maybe we'll puzzle piece, some practical things on how this can apply to your money. Okay. So number one, you said I really took my time and thought things out. Like I really, I realized, I'm paraphrasing for you, but I realized this was a problem that was not gonna get solved overnight, right? Yeah. And I really was like, you know what, but love is worth it so I'm gonna slow down, I'm gonna take my time, I'm gonna, how does that apply to, to figuring out the saving money thing?
Jess O'Connell (12:34):
Yeah. I think that that absolutely applies and if I think of times when I did have money in savings, it was very much so like okay we have $10,000, we're gonna stick it in savings, we're never allowed to touch it. We've saved all like, we even like got a CD and said and like that we had to then almost instantly pull it right back out. But like anytime that we've ever saved money, it's been like all or nothing. Like we have to save it all right now and we're never allowed to touch it and if we never touch it, that's success rather than like committing to the daily action of saving.
Anna Rapp (13:07):
Which I feel like somehow you were able to do that with love. You were able to play the long game, right? Yeah. Which is so hard when we've come from trauma, we're in short game cuz it's survival. Like yeah. There's no, but somehow you were able to switch the love to the long-term game. Mm-Hmm. So I wonder if we can play with, with your money. Yeah. How do we change that to the like how do I think things out? How do I make a plan? Yeah. How do I open a savings account now even if I'm not gonna put anything in it. Right. Like how do we slow down big picture, think things out.
Jess O'Connell (13:38):
Yeah.
Anna Rapp (13:41):
Anything else apply there from that one?
Jess O'Connell (13:44):
I think also like having a plan and like trusting that, and I'm a plan person for sure. And so like having like something that compounds or whatever, but like having intentionality to it
Anna Rapp (13:58):
Yes. And having the belief that it's, it's worth, it's worth the time and energy to have intention there. It's worth it to spend time there. Right? Yeah. You know that you're gonna figure it out. So it's worth investing that thinking time.
Jess O'Connell (14:11):
Yeah, definitely.
Anna Rapp (14:12):
Brilliant. Okay. Point number two was you were able to consistently communicate and have space for your fears. How does that apply to this money piece?
Jess O'Connell (14:25):
I think that, and I'm sure you've heard me do this a couple times, but I think that I shame my fears around money and I shame myself for my fears rather than like allowing them to coexist. Like I'd wanna like make them wrong and like push them away rather than like hold onto them and like show them love.
Anna Rapp (14:46):
Yeah. And be like, of course I have this fear. Right. It makes sense. It's not, I'm not gonna let it stop me. But also, like you said, I'm not gonna, of course that fear is there, right? Yeah. What can, what's a practical way that you can give space for those fears to surface process, et cetera?
Jess O'Connell (15:02):
I think I could journal on them and like write them out and like give them name and then like process it that way. I do process well through journaling.
Anna Rapp (15:12):
Easy done. And I would almost say like, do you, do you journal in paper on Google Docs or where's your like go-to journal
Jess O'Connell (15:18):
On paper? I have like a journal.
Anna Rapp (15:20):
Easy. Do you wanna do it in that same journal? Do you want a different journal? Like what's the easiest way?
Jess O'Connell (15:27):
Hmm. I might get a new journal. I feel like that could be a fun like thing to have like a money specific journal.
Anna Rapp (15:36):
I lo I love getting a money journal. Right. Especially if you already have the habit of paper journaling. Yeah. Getting a fresh one and being like kind of like you did with your relationship, like starting a relationship with money mm-hmm. <Affirmative>. Right. And really like having that space to journal and process the fears, the wins. Right. Yeah. Okay. And I love what you said too about like not making it wrong Yeah. Of having the fears. Right. Okay. Last piece you said was you were vulnerable, you were willing to do it your way. How do you feel like that applies to the money?
Jess O'Connell (16:14):
I think like it comes back to like be willing to do it wrong to figure it out. Mm. And like not again, not make it like capital w wrong for sl, for not like being perfect. I think that it's that perfection mindset that all or nothing that's gotten us into trouble in the past with like, oh, either I have to save it all or like, or I can't save or I have to put it in savings and then never ever touch it ever again. Like it's that. That obviously has not been like conducive.
Anna Rapp (16:49):
I love that. Okay. So I love the idea of being willing to like make money mistakes as we as you figure it out. Right. Every person I know that has a ton of money makes ma like, we make mistakes all the time. Right. Because like, like you said, like I opened a CD that didn't work and this is what I learned. Right. Like in some ways like that those are the best lessons, right? Yeah. Cause we're like, I'm not gonna do that again. But I love the idea of you being willing to like, not just make money is mistakes, but celebrate them. Mm-Hmm.
Jess O'Connell (17:17):
<Affirmative>.
Anna Rapp (17:19):
I love the idea like you said too of like playing in the gray a little more. Like you said like maybe you get a client pays in full, it's 10 k, maybe you don't save it all, maybe you save 4,000 of it, right? Yeah. Maybe it's not in a cd, maybe it's just in a high yield savings account so that you can take it in and out without being punished. Right? Yeah. So just like a little like playing with that gray there. Right? Totally.
Jess O'Connell (17:42):
Yeah.
Anna Rapp (17:43):
Okay. Anything else from the doing it your way, being willing to do it wrong, being vulnerable? How do we bring that into the money and savings piece?
Jess O'Connell (17:52):
I think too, like being open to having those conversations and not feeling like shame around those things. Mm-Hmm. <Affirmative> like I think that I feel especially in this industry, like we, there's a lot of shame around or we feel a lot of internalized shame around money and things like that. And I think that vulnerability is like, and more people need to see vulnerability. I'm not saying that I'm gonna be like posting about it on Instagram necessarily, but just like even just having conversations with my husband or with my friends Yes. Like, and being willing to talk about those things.
Anna Rapp (18:30):
I I love it. Yes. Okay. Who Okay ha would be a great one, right? Mm-Hmm. <Affirmative> who is a friend that feels like a safe space to be sharing more of these conversations with for your own.
Jess O'Connell (18:43):
Yeah, I have a friend named Eva who I think would be a good safe space. She is also an entrepreneur, she's a realtor but she's local to me and we've talked about, we've had some conversations about money already and like how like how like they're in a similar situation of like spending all of their money and she wants to save more money. And so I think that she would be a non-judgmental person that I could confide
Anna Rapp (19:09):
In. I love that. And even saying like, Hey, what do you think about us talking about money more? Like this is something I want. Like, just kind of like bringing that out, you know? Okay. I love that hubby, Eva, who's one more person that you can kind of dabble in some of these conversations with?
Jess O'Connell (19:24):
Hmm. Probably, I don't know if nobody else is coming to mind, but I'm sure I could figure out another friend.
Anna Rapp (19:33):
Okay. Love. Okay, so there's two and then I love the idea of in the next week, like seeing if one more person comes to you.
Jess O'Connell (19:38):
Yeah.
Anna Rapp (19:39):
Just so you have those like options in those sa that way if like Eva's really busy one week and then hubby's busy too, you're like, dam who am I gonna talk to? You know what I mean? Like, but that way you always have your journal, your safe space. Do you have like a, a savings goal or a light savings direction there?
Jess O'Connell (19:58):
Yeah, I, I would like to save, I mean like, yeah, I'd like to save like $10,000. Like I'd like to like in the next six months have like 10 K in the bank that like is there and I think that that would make me feel like you were talking about with the book and everything, like the 20 k that feels really far away for some reason. Yeah.
Anna Rapp (20:23):
Yes.
Jess O'Connell (20:24):
But like 10 K would create that like, like that's the exhale of like, okay, I can like take a second.
Anna Rapp (20:34):
I love that at making it 10 K in six months. And I love that you said that too cause I think so many women reading the book Right. Had a few international people reach out to me too and said, you know what Anna 20 k, screw 20 k, I want 5K in the bank. Right. <laugh>. So I love that. You said for
Jess O'Connell (20:47):
Me
Anna Rapp (20:48):
It's six months. Mm-Hmm. <Affirmative> and it's 10 K. Right. And do you have a high yield savings account open yet or not yet?
Jess O'Connell (20:55):
I don't. Okay.
Anna Rapp (20:56):
Do you know what that is?
Jess O'Connell (20:57):
Yeah, it's like two plus per se. I've done some shopping around but I haven't found like one that really seems convenient and also like like the right fit
Anna Rapp (21:10):
Yet. Yes. So exactly. It's just basically a savings account. Yeah. Just basically a normal bank savings account, but they pay you a little extra interest, right? Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. I love the idea of opening it and a new bank and it not being easy to access. Okay. But it's still your money, right? Yeah. It's still your money. You, you can spend it, you can take it out like whatever whenever you want. Yeah. But I love the idea. My two favorites are Alliant an Ally bank.
Jess O'Connell (21:35):
Okay.
Anna Rapp (21:37):
They're both really reputable credit unions and they're online banks. Okay. Pretty easy to open and I would almost just do one of those and keep it simple. Yeah,
Jess O'Connell (21:47):
That's a good idea.
Anna Rapp (21:50):
It's not that hard to get to like I think you can, you you can get a debit card with it. But I think the bank transfer takes like two days. Okay. but it's, but if you need the money you can definitely use your money. Yeah. there's no penalty or anything. Well I love the idea of 10 k six months. Okay. So what's six months from now?
Jess O'Connell (22:14):
Like August?
Anna Rapp (22:15):
Yeah. Like September one maybe.
Jess O'Connell (22:17):
Yeah,
Anna Rapp (22:18):
August, September 10. K. And I love the idea of you sharing that goal with your hub if you'd like to with Eva with one other friend like mm-hmm <affirmative> and then giving yourself time to journal every day for those fears that come up and realizing The cool thing is as you fry this fish, the 10 K is probably gonna be the hardest part, right? Yeah. So staying in there, playing the long game and kind of like things with hubby now, not that they're easy, but they're way easier than the beginning, right? Yeah. So being like, okay, this is me dating and doing the hard work, but the cool thing is after the 10 K I'm probably gonna go to from like 10 K to like a hundred K really easily, right? Yeah. Because it's the 10 K that's the hardest. So how can you stay in the game for the 10 K so that we can get you to the a hundred K in savings?
Jess O'Connell (23:07):
I think like letting it take like it's okay or, so my br again, my brain is very logical so I'm like okay, I'm already doing this math. Like, okay six months, 10 K divided by six is this much every week. And like, and I'm like, okay, maybe that isn't the best answer. Like cuz then I, I would probably compare like, oh, I, this week I didn't save my
Anna Rapp (23:28):
$11. Yes. Like
Jess O'Connell (23:29):
Yeah. I'm like, I think letting it not like, it doesn't have to be a linear thing. Like it will compound and it's getting into the like the mindset and the action and like doing like understanding that there's some like underground growth before the above ground growth.
Anna Rapp (23:46):
Oh my god. Like all, it's just so annoying, right? But especially in your situation, it's gonna be so much of the underground. So I love the idea of you taking the action to open the account. Number one, putting $10 in mm-hmm. <Affirmative>, right? But then beyond that, just kind of letting it happen, which is so annoying when we're like linear driven women. Yeah. But being like, hey universe, like in the next six months I want 10 K in there and it's gonna happen. It might happen a hundred dollars at a time, it might happen $5,000, but like it doesn't really matter. Yeah,
Jess O'Connell (24:19):
Definitely.
Anna Rapp (24:22):
Can you commit to when you get your pretty new journal doing like at least one line of journaling a day for the next six months?
Jess O'Connell (24:31):
Yeah. I think I could make that a habit.
Anna Rapp (24:34):
Whether it's like I'm annoyed at money today or I love money today, like whatever, whatever. Right. But just having that space.
Jess O'Connell (24:43):
Yeah.
Anna Rapp (24:44):
Okay. As we wind down, what stands out to you? You did so fabulous by the way. Look at you like you, it's so fun that you like have already mastered this in one area, so now we just get to transfer it over. Right. Exactly. What most stood out to you from session today?
Jess O'Connell (25:00):
I think for me, like it was super helpful to equate money to another relationship that I has gone well. Like transferring skills I already have doesn't feel as scary as like having to develop skills that I feel like I don't have. Yes.
Anna Rapp (25:15):
And this is great Avi, like this is better advice. Like I probably could have come up with some tidbits, but I think these are much better. Right? Like, you know, having the long-term view, having a place to communicate fears, doing it your way, being willing to be wrong,
Jess O'Connell (25:27):
Like yeah. This
Anna Rapp (25:28):
Is like five star advice you gave yourself. Right.
Jess O'Connell (25:32):
<Laugh>.
Anna Rapp (25:33):
Okay. What do you feel like are your action steps?
Jess O'Connell (25:38):
I am going to go get a new journal. I am going to make a plan to journal every day. I'm gonna open the account and I'm gonna deposit $10 and I'm going to like trust that that 10 will multiply in the most organic and aligned way possible over the next six months.
Anna Rapp (25:59):
I I I know it's yours. I know it's yours and I love
Jess O'Connell (26:03):
To even you
Anna Rapp (26:05):
Doing this session on it is you already starting to take the long game, you know mm-hmm. <Affirmative> and whenever you're stuck, obviously like I'm happy to like support you in or you can like hire another coach too. But like, I love the idea of you asking yourself if you get stuck in your money over the next six months, you asking yourself the question, what's something I did right in love that I can ply right now. Mm-Hmm. And just you channel it keep, like that's the self trust, right? Yeah. Because I think like you have a lot of eroded self-trust in the money piece, but you have a lot of self-trust in the love. So if you can just keep asking yourself when you get money wonky
Jess O'Connell (26:40):
Mm-Hmm.
Anna Rapp (26:40):
<Affirmative>, what, what advice can I give myself from that place that figured it out? Right? Yeah,
Jess O'Connell (26:46):
Definitely.
Anna Rapp (26:48):
Okay. You are so lovely. Okay. Hope you have a beautiful Tuesday. Do you have any other thoughts or questions?
Jess O'Connell (26:54):
No, this was super helpful though. And I think that like, it makes it feel less overwhelming and scary. It makes it feel like, well you already know how to do that so awesome. Like, it doesn't feel like applying, like creating a new skill. It feels like applying old skills to something new and that feels much lighter than like, okay, now you have to learn how to save and how to learn like, and overcome all of these other things too. Like you already know how to save. Like that's the answer. I already know how to do it. I just have to apply what I know to it.
Anna Rapp (27:25):
I even love that for an affirmation for you, I already had figured out how to save my love, right? Mm-Hmm. <Affirmative> because in relationships that's what you figured out. Yeah. You didn't just find love but you figured out how to keep
Jess O'Connell (27:37):
It. Yeah. Right.
Anna Rapp (27:38):
You fig you figured out how to acclimate to love. So I think it's you reminding yourself like, okay, I know how to create money now I'm gonna figure out how to save money, how to keep it around, how to be secure in that attachment, right? Yeah.
Jess O'Connell (27:52):
Yes, definitely.
Anna Rapp (27:54):
Oh good. Okay. Have a beautiful Tuesday and this was like a deep tissue massage, so like drink lots of water and take care of yourself. Okay.
Jess O'Connell (28:00):
Thank you. I'll talk to you soon. Bye love. Bye.
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